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This post will probably get a little dark. I assure you that I am okay, just not great right now.

I've struggled with thoughts of suicide. Last night I realized that one of the more powerful motivators against it for me is that if I did, my death would be used as part of the fucked-up justification supporting ever more restrictions of the bullshit sort that I have endured for four years (and counting.) That's how it works with gatekeepers and their supporters - that people have problems under that system is used as proof that the system is good. That I have any regrets from dealing with the process, even that those regrets are of having to deal with the bullshit, are taken as proof that it is necessary and needs to be made even more stringent.

I describe myself as both lesbian and a trans woman. While neither can be truly separated for me because they are tightly intertwined, they are still distinct in many ways. One example is that I am comfortable being out as lesbian at work but I am not comfortable being out as a trans woman at work. There's a simple reason at play: being out as lesbian does not put me under undue scrutiny while being out as a trans woman will. It's a matter of familiarity; lesbian and gay individuals aren't so foreign to them and, thus, the actions of one aren't so much used to judge all. I know that I get a significant amount of that already as a woman in a part of the IT field which is very much overwhelmingly male; being out as a trans woman would most likely make me the only one they know and that has the effect of putting me under a microscope that I do not want.

I am also asexual, which doesn't factor into this point, though I have had punitive treatment from medical professionals for that reason.)

I feel even more that I sold my soul. With the customer last week I was directly supporting something with which I strongly disagree. Also, a part that I didn't say from the therapy appointment, was seeing someone I know, who is fairly early in transition, walk in for the next appointment as I was leaving, knowing I had effectively just reinforced what was being enforced upon her.

Date: 2012-09-03 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
HUGS

Gatekeepers seem no close to getting it now that they were forty years back! I don't know what they gain from it other than a control freak's sense of empowerment.

As you know _scattermoon_ has got to where she needs to go and lord knows the equivalent so and so's here gave her a real runaround- something they should be thoroughly ashamed of but probably aren't. :o(

As they say in the best canine Latin:

Nil illigitimae carborundum!

Date: 2012-09-04 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Oh and fwiw, I was asexual before surgery- I wasn't afterwards, so you never know. :o)

Date: 2012-09-04 10:05 am (UTC)
maellenkleth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maellenkleth
Likewise. Some things do reward us through late discovery, ne qua?

Date: 2012-09-04 01:12 pm (UTC)
maellenkleth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maellenkleth
Well, I can at least wish you good fortune as you work your way through the maze. It **does** get better.

Date: 2012-09-04 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phonemonkey.livejournal.com
I can see how sex would be an entirely different proposition when it no longer involves a set of genitalia that you really don't want attached to your body.

Date: 2012-09-04 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phonemonkey.livejournal.com
I'm really sorry - that wasn't what I meant at all. I was just thinking about [livejournal.com profile] cmcmck's experiences.

Date: 2012-09-04 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Unfortunately and as Dani says, 'they' do try to operate a 'one size fits all' policy and that it certainly doesn't. Having turned out straight and cisnormative to the extent of settling down and marrying, I'm the sort of woman 'they' love because I tick all their %^&*! boxes for them and it bugs me mightily.

Date: 2012-09-04 02:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maellenkleth
Well, some gatekeeper somewhere must still have my piece of paper with all the tickyboxes checked, as I certainly did the 'go marry the boyfriend forthwith' thing, too. :)

I didn't keep him, though: he loved his motorcycle more than he loved me, it seems.

Date: 2012-09-04 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lietya.livejournal.com
That'd annoy the hell out of me too! I hope it's some consolation that there are also plenty of people who are neither hetero- nor cisnormative out there frustrating gatekeepers. ;)

(my wife gets frustrated with the Standard Trans Narrative fairly often, but never with individual *people* whose lives happen to match up to it; not their fault they're often used as a bludgeon.)

(...because she so does not, including that she identified as a perfectly content cis male for many years, albeit one who was not particularly aggressively masculine. that's the sort of story that ends up losing the "trans enough" competitions really fast.)

Date: 2012-09-04 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
I was threatened with committal and ECT in the mid seventies by some 'experts' whistled up by my interfering parents (but I hit 18 before 'they' could interfere any further) so maybe these people need to go away and read some history!

I got into big bikes _after_ transition so how that fits I don't know! :o)

'overtly feminine'? so it's not only Julie Bindel that accuses us of being 'extras from the cast of 'Grease' '? The 'experts' want us to be too?

Facepalm! :o/
Edited Date: 2012-09-04 04:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-09-04 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
WTF!

Perhaps 'many' also need to go away and read some history?

'You can't want to be a woman if you don't wear skirts.'

I heard that so damn often- although not, I have to say, from my pshrink, who was an absolute star. So I do when _I_ feel in the mood, but like an awful lot of my cis acquaintance, these days I tend to live in jeans.

What's the age of majority over there?

Date: 2012-09-04 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Unbelievable!

You begin to see why people have trouble in understanding what people go through!

Date: 2012-09-04 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Oy gevalt!

Some of these people are the ones needing psychiatric treatment for incipient control freakery!

Don't get me going on trans films.

I'll watch the first one played by a trans actor or actress!

Date: 2012-09-04 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Sigh :o(

So the ones I knew that didn't make it (and there were just so many) were all imagining it were they?

I'd love to meet some of 'them' from back then as I am now- fulfilled and happy in spite of them, not because of them.

Yet 'they' have real trouble finding 'regretters'. Odd, that, isn't it?

Date: 2012-09-04 05:47 pm (UTC)
maellenkleth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maellenkleth
Gawd bless the man! ^_^

Date: 2012-09-04 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phonemonkey.livejournal.com
I think it's really creepy and inappropriate that the gatekeepers think there is a "correct" amount of sex for a trans person to want or have.

Date: 2012-09-05 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
It's creepy that they assume that everyone wants sex at all- like all cis people are at it like knives day and night!

Date: 2012-09-04 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phonemonkey.livejournal.com
It's almost like trans people are individuals with different needs and wants and priorities, rather than case-studies fitting a stereotype. Weird, huh?

Date: 2012-09-05 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Who knew? :o)

Date: 2012-09-03 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelstitch.livejournal.com
::hugs::

I am so sorry that it is still so bloody hard for you, and that people who should help, don't

Date: 2012-09-04 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lietya.livejournal.com
*sympathy* again. I'm so sorry that you're still trapped in this downward spiral. There's something heartbreaking about the fact that one of the main reasons you want to stay alive is about other people, largely strangers (though obviously, if it hasn't been said, we your friends love you dearly and would be shattered to lose you!!). I do hope that your "non-trans-focused" therapist is of some help in this regard, since that's what they're there for - to deal with the fallout and corollaries of the gatekeeper problems without being involved in that gatekeeping system at all, and to help you find coping skills and ways to alleviate your depression.

I do have to admit, it's hard for me to imagine a workplace where being a woman is subjected to some amount of tokenism but being gay isn't. :) Still, it sounds like a great place to work in regards to *some* liberal attitudes, which I suppose beats none...

Date: 2012-09-04 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
'I'm in a field where women are rare'

Moi aussi, but luckily I'm freelance and pretty damn good at what I do. Female military historians are rare beasties.

And what _lietya_ says- please do things that you need to do for you, not for others. There comes a time to be at least a little selfish.........

Date: 2012-09-04 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
I came across that one when I was teaching!

Date: 2012-09-04 04:49 pm (UTC)
maellenkleth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maellenkleth
Laughs wryly. Yup, there aren't many women at all who'd want to go down the hole with the pit ponies....

... and this was a career choice that I made post facto

Date: 2012-09-04 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lietya.livejournal.com
Oh, wow, I'm sorry. No wonder you've been having more trouble coping. :( It was a huge step that you were willing to find a therapist, too; what a tremendous setback to lose her again so soon.

Date: 2012-09-05 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntyjen.livejournal.com
first huggsssssssssssssss

next
I'd like to put a challenge to you for when your body is the way you want it to be

Become a gatekeeper
I've know you for what almost 20 years
I know you're smart
if you can afford it, go back, get your degree, and become a gatekeeper
and change the system from within.

it's tool late for now, and you have to walk the hard path
but you could make it easier for a future generation.

The women of the 60's and 70's made it easier for the women of the 80's and 90s, and they made it easier for today's people
you can make it easier for the next generation

in the 60's and 70's you got to keep nothing, no one, no job, no friends
you walked away from everything to be you.

look how much has changed, even though much is still the same
so given time, you can help the future

but don't do it now, you still need hugs and help
later when you're ready
change the world

huggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Date: 2012-09-05 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntyjen.livejournal.com
oh btw, i know lots of women who are out as lesbian but in otherwise
you are right, it is better for them
so don't let that anguish eat you up, ok?

more hugs

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